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The R&R insist that mere individual laymen cannot judge the pope based on their own personal judgement and that an imperfect council would have to do it. However, using the language "laymen" is an attempt to draw a distinction between laymen and clerics, but this distinction is not warranted in this case because making a judgment based on manifest data is proper to all people and not just to a cleric. They would rightly admit that a single cleric, regardless of power (bishop or cardinal) could not affect the loss of office also, and that, in their argument, an imperfect council would still be needed. All this to say that the entire argument about needing an imperfect council to depose a pope is moot and ridiculous based simply on the fact that each member of the imperfect council would have to come to and render a personal judgement prior to adding it to the whole of the others, which would then become the judgment of the imperfect council. So no matter how you try to get around it, individual men still need to come to their own personal judgement FIRST before casting it with the lot.

Pax et bonum +

michael

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Stefano Pietro Benedetto's avatar

I’m surprised that Arnaldo da Silveira considered the fifth opinion to be theologica certa. He decided this after considering the matter from 136 theologians and canonists, as well as revising his hypothesis a couple of times. But I was left wondering if he was interpreting the Note - theologica certa in the same way theologians were before the IInd Vatican Council, i.e., Fr. Sixtus Cartechini’s definition? Fr. Cartechini’s definition of theologica certa is that it is a dogmatic fact, A Note that falls within the ‘field of infallibility.’ Is Silveira using theologica certa with the same weight and meaning?

Silveira apparently also didn’t have the updated information you obtained from Cajetan’s Treatise on the Pontifical Office from 1521 where he adheres to what would become St. Bellarmine’s fifth opinion.

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