Despite apparent legitimacy, the Conciliar/Synodal Church lacks the four notes essential to identify the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church of Christ. But then where is the Church?
The great society of the Catholic Church was always made up of smaller societies with their own constitutions. The traditional groups, as I understand them, are de facto groupings of Catholics, and even if their de facto constitutions lack legal reality, they nonetheless constitute parts of the Church. Relevant below:
"We are often told that those who reject this Conciliar-Synodal Church are like those who could not recognise Our Lord in the humiliations of his Passion, and so either rejected him with the Jews or fled with the Apostles."
When I converted to the Catholic Church from the New Order sect, my kids (and kids are often more astute than adults) pointed out that it was ALMOST like the New Order secret had an aversion to the Passion, and so minimized trials and sufferings, and went out of it's way to make people feel good.
When they pointed that out, I was drawn to the situation in Esdras, Nehemias is asked, after the returning Jews have sold their children to slavery and mortgages their corn, they are in so much suffering. He responded that it was because they, in their desire to minimize suffering in a worldly sense, abandoned God. The trials of the New Order are self-inflicted, because they abandoned the True Faith...not some mystical passion.
Depends on the definition of "whole". My wife and kids did, but the other Catholics are stuck in the New Order.
We hear many Traditionalists say that the New Order is a different religion. That becomes abundantly clear when you go from the New Order to the Catholic Faith.
The great society of the Catholic Church was always made up of smaller societies with their own constitutions. The traditional groups, as I understand them, are de facto groupings of Catholics, and even if their de facto constitutions lack legal reality, they nonetheless constitute parts of the Church. Relevant below:
https://www.wmreview.org/p/leo-xiii-duties-of-laymen
"We are often told that those who reject this Conciliar-Synodal Church are like those who could not recognise Our Lord in the humiliations of his Passion, and so either rejected him with the Jews or fled with the Apostles."
When I converted to the Catholic Church from the New Order sect, my kids (and kids are often more astute than adults) pointed out that it was ALMOST like the New Order secret had an aversion to the Passion, and so minimized trials and sufferings, and went out of it's way to make people feel good.
When they pointed that out, I was drawn to the situation in Esdras, Nehemias is asked, after the returning Jews have sold their children to slavery and mortgages their corn, they are in so much suffering. He responded that it was because they, in their desire to minimize suffering in a worldly sense, abandoned God. The trials of the New Order are self-inflicted, because they abandoned the True Faith...not some mystical passion.
Thanks for this Aaron. I think the "mystical passion" idea has some utility but it can definitely be overused.
Did your whole family come with you?
Here's the essay to which that was alluding though:
https://www.wmreview.org/p/easter-octave
Depends on the definition of "whole". My wife and kids did, but the other Catholics are stuck in the New Order.
We hear many Traditionalists say that the New Order is a different religion. That becomes abundantly clear when you go from the New Order to the Catholic Faith.